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Post by hinton on May 21, 2007 11:08:55 GMT
I like him. His pose gives a sense of movement and I like the hat. Overall, a very cool and interesting looking little sculpt.
(Just my 2 coins)
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Post by mminiatures on May 21, 2007 22:51:31 GMT
Well I tried and tried and tried and tried (again) to fix him for hours of excruciatingly hard detail work and in the end I just couldn't justify keeping him.
Well, trying to see a failure as a learning experience, I guess I'll have to pay close attention to belt placement next time to get it right. Now I have my sights set on some Serbian Billmen.
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Post by racssirt on May 22, 2007 6:13:08 GMT
That's a shame my friend but that's life. Can't wait to see the Serbians!
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Post by jabberwocky on May 22, 2007 16:55:53 GMT
Sorry to hear about the Albanian--your patience with sculpting is amazing. Looking forward to seeing the Serbian progress.
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Post by mousekiller on May 22, 2007 23:11:45 GMT
I thought he was very well done mate, a shame to scrap him. However, if you learned something from the ordeal, I suppose it was worth it. Can't wait to see the Serbs...
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Post by mminiatures on Jun 6, 2007 21:01:43 GMT
Heres two minis-the one on the left is the first, a bad one, while the one on the right it much better.  I did the first one and it looked fine, but on further inspection the torso, even with all its layers of armour, was less broad than the figure's ribcage should be! No good! I started again doing the same figure, mostly, but its more anatomically correct. I've also experimented with adding the hand as part of the armature, which is the case with his right hand. The left will have a hand added separately. Building the arm with the hand attatched is a better method, I've found, as a separate hand often leads to inconsistencies in the thickness of the wrist and forarm. I'm pleased with the Gothic fluting on his plackart, that plate on his stomach. It was tedious but not as hard as I thought it would be. I think I also sharpened out the plates that hang from the plackart (these were called 'Fauld of four lames", for some reason) pretty well. It was a bit annoying to do the same figure over again, but I was able to go back to every error and correct it and I think no. 2 is coming along quite nicely. Until next time..... |
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Post by Tim C on Jun 6, 2007 21:03:37 GMT
Yep the one on the right is as you say much better, I like the look you have got so far.
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Post by mminiatures on Jun 6, 2007 21:40:37 GMT
Yep the one on the right is as you say much better, I like the look you have got so far. No no no! Its the opposite! The pics may not show it too clearly, but the one on the right is way too thin, the newer one on the left is the only one which is anatomically possible. Oh well, I hope you'll change your mind with more progress and better pictures  |
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Post by mminiatures on Jun 7, 2007 0:46:22 GMT
On second thought I'm starting to think that neither one is right!!! On closer examination of Gothic Armour from the period, the armour comes to its thinnest point slightly above the hips and rapidly widens as it goes to the shoulders, pictured here: www.longshank.com/images/gothic%20plate.jpg . The thinnest part is plainly thinner than the hips. Not so on my model, where the thinnest part is almost as wide as the hips. The original one is just too small and thin to work, so I need to go for something in between. It was stupid of me not to examine the references more closely, but theres nothing I can do about it now. I could perhaps scrape of the old armor, but its brown stuff so that probably wouldn't work so well. I guess this means I'll have to start again, again. What the hell, I'm in no hurry. On a good note, I'm just about to reserve airline tickets to gencon where I'm going to 16 hours of sculpting classes, some of them with the master of masters, Tom Meier! I'm looking forwards to it a lot and there should be a lot to learn. |
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Post by mousekiller on Jun 12, 2007 12:51:00 GMT
I definitely do not envy you sculptors, your attention to detail must be scrupulous in order to convey realism. I know that I am not much help in this process for you, but I can definitely attest to the fact that many of the tips you are leaving may help me one day in my conversions...
Great work, keep at it.
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Post by mutantpotato on Jun 12, 2007 17:19:58 GMT
Looks great mate. The breastplate and chainmail are awesome.
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Post by jabberwocky on Jun 14, 2007 10:09:21 GMT
M, your attention to detail astounds me. I am sure some quality time with Tom Meier will add considerable to your already impressive skill.
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Post by menace on Jun 15, 2007 7:31:54 GMT
Have a great time with the masters MM, one can never learn enough!
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Post by mminiatures on Jun 20, 2007 2:14:33 GMT
I've spent the last few days playing around with new armatures based on one which ebob showed me on frothers. Its knees are much higher than I previously assumed (I've actually been working from an anatomically incorrect skeleton diagram). I've made three or four and after ruining the others for various reasons I've gotten a start on one which is going quite smoothly. The new armature also includes built in bits for building the hand right on the armature. I've also looked over some Perrys for more dynamic poses. Although the last Serb was better in terms of dynamism, it still needed more. I based this new on the figure third from the left in Perries "Infantry advancing/running with Polarms" from the Agnicourt to Orleans range. You can check it out manually if you want but for some reason I can't link to the image. Putting the other Albanians behind me, I've decided to try for some new, better ones. I was going to do some Hungarians, but as they would be built for the WAB system, I would have to cover a lot more troops than I have the recourses for as the Hungarian list has about three times as much choice as the Albanian one. Enough rambling, here it is. It took only a day of on again off again work to get this far and I'm quite happy with it. If you have a look at the figure from Perrys, you can see what pose he will have, if not it might be hard! He will be carrying a halbard sort of like a hockey player holds a hockey stick.  |
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Post by razhburz on Jun 20, 2007 6:43:40 GMT
So far so good! looks great man!  |
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Post by mutantpotato on Jun 21, 2007 21:57:19 GMT
Looking good. Looking forward to see how the arms turn out. Keep it up  |
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Post by mminiatures on Jul 4, 2007 4:57:31 GMT
Hey guys heres just an update. Sorry I have no pictures for various reasons.
The above sculpt went wrong for no really good reason-it was a very difficult pose and all of a sudden the knee was in the wrong place and the shoulders were too broad. The arms were actually too short so I clipped them and had to strengthen the new ones with brown stuff which added a bit of extra mass to the shoulders. Ah well!
I spent the next day making three posed armatures for Albanians. I was done with a lot of the legs before I realized that I was not enjoying the sculpting at all. The design is pretty uninteresting to me and doesn't necessarily have a whole lot of detail or variation. If I'm going to make a range of 20 minis, it makes no sense to be bored by them the whole time. So those were scrapped. Annoying, but as anyone reading this thread can tell, I'm used to it.
I just started an armature for a Serb. Its the same unit as the 'Serbian Billman' I posted here but the design is more historically correct-no breastplate for the average armored peasant! The new one will have more chain mail, a more interesting pose, and higher knees. The design is much more interesting to me and should be a bit more fun. Its the 4th of July tomorrow and I have the day off and nothing planned so I should finally have some good time for sculpting.
I've started to take some real art classes in the interest of learning proportion and anatomy. They're honestly quite a bit boring to me-I've never spent a solid 4 hours doing quick charcoal drawings of the same model-but I hope they'll improve and at least give me a better idea of real anatomy. Copying from a print-out skeleton as I do now works fine, but theres obviously a lot more depth that comes from more experience.
I'll post up some pictures of the new Serbs as they're ready. Until then!
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Post by terminusest on Jul 5, 2007 16:57:15 GMT
I've started to take some real art classes in the interest of learning proportion and anatomy. They're honestly quite a bit boring to me-I've never spent a solid 4 hours doing quick charcoal drawings of the same model-but I hope they'll improve and at least give me a better idea of real anatomy. hehe, practise makes perfect, no? can't wait to see more of your work. |
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Post by mminiatures on Sept 3, 2007 4:02:26 GMT
its been a while since I posted here! Heres some pics of a very nearly completed commission (just waiting the buyers approval) for six heads fitting imperial guard torsos:   I'm also working on another Byzantine, and getting started on my one-ring competition entry. I'll post pictures soon but right now they're not all that exciting looking. |
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Post by mminiatures on Sept 15, 2007 20:30:44 GMT
Helm Hammarhand WIP:  |
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Post by roguetrader on Sept 15, 2007 21:02:36 GMT
looking pretty good, is it a lotr or historical or fantasy? ;D
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Post by mminiatures on Sept 16, 2007 4:58:54 GMT
I'm also working on another Byzantine archer:  The head and a few other things look a bit odd, but thats why its still a WIP! |
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Post by razhburz on Sept 16, 2007 15:17:08 GMT
Very kool mate  is hamar hand for the OR awards? |
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Post by mminiatures on Sept 16, 2007 16:24:45 GMT
yep I only hope I can have him finished in time! |
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Post by mminiatures on Oct 6, 2007 16:04:19 GMT
Heres the next archer I'm working on:  Still a lot of work to do obviously! |
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