Lamenters

[roguetrader]

I am making up a lamenters army, i have dugg around for fluff and asked people, and it turns out its very limited. I have a soft spot for them, they have been my favourite marine colour scheme ever since i first clapped eyes on them, the fluff so far goes...ahem:

They were supposadley created from blood angels gene seed but modified to remove the effects of the Black Rage and Red Thirst, However, the Lamenters are noted for suffering from a kind of melancholy, the tear on the bloodied heart represents thier lament for the fallen sanguinius as does thier namesake, as they were created froom a superior seed they were very good warriors and very steadfast. The first recorded incident in thier history was during the badab uprising, they turned against loyalist marines siding with the traitors but not for the lure of chaos but over a stubbern dispute of territory They saw the attacks by the Imperium on the Astral Claws as infringing upon the autonomy of the Adeptus Astartes. they repented and were investigated by the inquisition and were granted the emperors forgiveness in return for a 100 year pentient crusade during which time they were watched of by thescythes of the emperor space marines, it was during this crusade that they stumbled into the path of hivefleet kraken, In one particularly notable battle, a number of Lamenters Space Marines fought a heroic last stand on the planet Malvolion which was being rapidly consumed by Tyranid organisms. The actions of the Lamenters allowed for many Imperial civilians to escape the doomed world, but they lost their lives in the process. As a result of the horrific losses they suffered in their many battles with the Tyranids, barely 3 companies of the Lamenters still remain.

i will try and base my marines on deck and tech plate bases, going for the hulk look, they will bear battle damage and be very weathered. i am thinking of going for only foot units and no vehicles or dreadnoughts to fit this theme. i am starting of with my cmnd squad which is on its way in the mail. i will post pics as i have them.

if there is anything you think will be of benifet then please post it and any other comments or crits are welcome ;D ;D ;D also as i dont have the rules can someone tell me if the standard foce organisation chart of, 1 hq and 2 troops compulsory is the standard? i am not bothered about points cost as it may be a long time before they see a gaming table but i want it to be legal. thanks

[Tim C]

You may want to have a look around the Bolter and Chainsword forums they may have some info over there as well.

[roguetrader]

i had a quick look around last night, but the site looks hard work to navigate through so i will look maybe later today when my eyes dont hurt so much ;D ;D

[chemicalcaveman]

I've had a chat about these guys with you Rogue as they are my favourite chapter as well. I think the hulk base would work really well with the backround, as the major turning point in the Badab war was when the Minatours took the Lamenters lead Battleship in bitter hand to hand combat. The Minatours were awared the Lamenters homeworld for this particlur victory which turned the battle in the Imperium's favour.

I'm really excited to see what you are going to do, as I've made a few attempts at painting lamenters before and have never been completely satisified. I think my current WIP is on this site somewhere. If not I can post it here if you want

[rlangner]

First off I'd got the trait system route, taking trust your battle brothers for your advantage, and we stand alone as your minor drawback.

I'd take the Commander, and command Squad (10 marines) kitted out with tons of fancy gear. Maybe through in a chaplain too. Give them true grit and counter attack (from trust your battle brothers)

For your compulsory troops I'd probably do 2 units of standard marines, 10 strong (again kitted out with tons of gear). I might go as far to give them true grit and counter attack (trust your battle brothers) but I'm not sure it'd be worth it

Following that I'd probably take a 10 strong unit of veterans with close combat gear, and another 10 strong unit of veterans with ranged assault gear (bolters and melta/plasma) and probably give both true grit and counter attack (again from trust your battle brothers).

Probably throw in a squad or two of devastators, one kitted out with 4 heavy bolters, and the other probably armed with a mix of weapons for tank hunting.

Not sure on the points that'd put you at, or how effective it'd be.. but thats what I came up with in about half an hour so hey, worth a look.

[roguetrader]

ill give that some thought rlanger mate, thanks for chucking that one in, i was thinking i would like a termie squad in there also though, and probably will because i have not had any of the new plastic termies yet. i will also probably need to invest in the relevent codex and rules when it finally comes to me actually going for a game of 40k, but that day will come ;D ;D. thanks chemical also, and yeah fell free to put up any of your lamenters stuff you think would be cool ;D

[rlangner]

Another thought would be to go a bit more divergent and take Trust your Battle Brothers and either No Mercy No Respite, or Uphold the Honour of The Emperor. For drawbacks I'd take We Stand Alone, and Flesh Over Steel. I'd lean towards No Mercy No Respite (Furious Charge for 3 points a model) over Uphold the Honour of The Emperor (permanent 6+ invulnerable save for shooting, but no cover saves). Uphold the Honour of The Emperor doesnt fit the theme of an army who has perpetual bad luck... Taking Trust Your Battle Brothers and No Mercy No Respite can make some pretty beefy space marine units, function like normal units for ranged firing, but in combat fight with an extra attack like assault marines. They'd get pretty pricey that way though, and youd risk to loose a lot of points if some one concentrated a lot of fire power on them.

With the list I gave theres still an open elites spot for Terminators, I'd probably go with two assault cannons and the rest with powerfists and storm bolters.

You could also fill out the last HQ spot with a Termie Character and a Termie command squad.

I think it's worth noting that I personnally suck to the extreme at making army lists, and rarely ever play (and when I do rarely ever win). But if you're looking for a themed list over a winning list that is what I'd do.

[roguetrader]

well i am actually going for theme over tactics, i used to play alot and with every force, if you play to your strenghts and use good judgement you can win easily ;D ;D, i appreciate the input though ( oh yeah, weighted dice help. hehe ) but i dont do that ;D )