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Post by ell on Jun 28, 2006 5:22:38 GMT
Well the thread about putting wings on Deamon Hunters got me thinking about the Gothic Iconology and how it pertains to the Warhammer 40k universe, my question to you is why is the Angel so predominantly used in there Architecture and society of the Emperium. Now there could not be a relation to the Christian Angelic figure in the real world because there is no Christianity in the Warhammer universe, however the Emperor is the Head of the Religious and Political figurehead, and because he is the only main figure, and through our history there is a pattern of Leaders both religious and Political butting there own image in Architecture and Images of war… So to bring this to a point where did the image of an angel come from in the 40k universe?
My personal opinion as of writing this, is that the Emperor himself has wings and looks like the angel of Christian Catholicism. Which would make since because the Emperor was the one who explained to the rest of civilization about the machine spirit and so forth when he came into power, at the beginning of known time. But that is just my opinion, so what is your view on the subject?
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Post by ell on Jun 30, 2006 7:10:51 GMT
Well im glad this discution skyroketed  |
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Post by Tim C on Jun 30, 2006 7:32:35 GMT
Sorry mate I can't help you with this one, I know that 40k uses alot of gothic imagery but where it all ties in I don't realy know. Perhaps because of its dark atmosphere that fits the 40k universe so well.
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Post by ell on Jun 30, 2006 9:34:04 GMT
Oh ya, well I know that GW was probably not thinking of stuff like this when they where making the world. They probably just thought it looked cool, but I personaly like anlyzing this sorta thing as If it where a real world. I gess not to many people on my same thought prosses here thow Oh well, I will take my museings some where els. |
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Post by Tim C on Jun 30, 2006 9:36:23 GMT
I wouldn't be too deflated, the forums have gone a little quiet.
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Post by pinkbunny on Jul 1, 2006 13:34:21 GMT
los furums are silent? i must spam up some chat |
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Post by rlangner on Jul 2, 2006 3:26:35 GMT
I think the gothic imagery (and medieval iconography) is so prevalent because it fits well with the darker dirtier atmosphere of 40k. As much as people say it is Sci Fi, it still has a HUGE element of fantasy in it, and I think adding elements of older era's art and architecture makes the world seem more real. I know Games Workshop has a rather deep and extensive story for their universe, and I'm sure somewhere there are tons of other reasons and connections to be made.
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Post by deadzero on May 23, 2007 23:33:28 GMT
The emperor isnt always shown as an angelic icon, ive read somewhere that in imperial chapels the emperor looks like he does on the golden throne, a corpse with wires and cables and alsorts poking into him but always cast in gold with lights above him.
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Post by abomplaguemarine on Oct 16, 2007 10:53:46 GMT
I can answer this one.
The Emperor created the Primarchs and the Space Marines to take back the galaxy from hostile forces. The Space Marines became known as the Emperors Avenging Angels, saviours of mankind. Hence the whole "falling from grace" theme that goes with the Horus Heresy.
The Emperor however did not have wings. The Emperor was also dead against religious ideals or icons.
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Post by tadme48 on Oct 20, 2007 11:21:14 GMT
I am the first to admit to being no expert on this, hold bak on the shouting and screaming please.
The embelism and imagery shown it seems is based on the Roman Empire and the early Emporers who thought themselves to be gods and were worshiped as such. And in many cases insisted they were prayed to on pain of death. Augustus was the forst to do this.
The winged emblem comes from the Eagle and not an Angel. Angels with wings were not introduced into Christianity until the 14th century and added into the stories by the church to explain how they got about so easily.
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Post by abomplaguemarine on Oct 20, 2007 12:41:11 GMT
Indeed you are correct, after all, the Imperial Aquilla Eagle is taken from the Imperial Roman Praetorian Eagle.
Google Image search will confirm this.
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Post by greenstuffguy on May 16, 2008 23:26:53 GMT
The Emperor was also dead against religious ideals or icons. Which is why it is supremely ironic that he is now revered as a god  |
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Post by tadme48 on May 17, 2008 9:05:48 GMT
That is because others have futile lives and need somehting to cling to. And are worried by the concept of "is this all there is"
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Post by greenstuffguy on May 17, 2008 11:51:59 GMT
That is because others have futile lives and need somehting to cling to. And are worried by the concept of "is this all there is" Yes, but it's still ironic. |
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